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On 2 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Ruby Ridge to Ruby Ridge standoff. The result of the discussion was moved.

misleading

The statement that it was a "surveillance operation" and that they "had a warrant" in order to be there are misleading. The warrant was found to be invalid, meaning that the officers were trespassing, and they were armed and dressed in camouflaged, and instead of following normal protocol for serving a warrant, decided to engage in these acts of trespassing on the Walker's property. This information should be front and center in the article, as it sets the stage for what happened and the event's aftermath.

I cited both a law firm website and PBS (public broadcasting service, a reliable news source). Can someone please explain why these are not acceptable sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:152:4C7C:1D0:6430:AFF4:3D53:B741 (talk) 23:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus in favor of the descriptive name rather than just the location. Favonian (talk) 14:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ruby Ridge → Ruby Ridge standoff

– Ruby Ridge is a ridge. The standoff at Ruby Ridge was an event that should have a different title, like Waco siege. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment See related RM from 2022. 162 etc. (talk) 16:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nominator. Killuminator (talk) 19:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as I previously said at Talk:Ruby Ridge/Archive 3#Requested move 18 May 2022, the article is about the incident, not the place, and the title should say that. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 06:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The location is only notable due to the incident. Its own article is a stub that references this one to justify notability. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 18:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the location is only (or at least primarily) notable for the incident. The subject of this article is the incident. But the title of the article does not currently indicate that the article is about an incident. It should. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not necessary, per WP:COMMONNAME. If you say "Ruby Ridge," people know you're discussing the standoff, not the location. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 20:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Clearly not the actual name of the incident. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Result

Re this edit by Fred Zepelin reinstating detail to the result parameter. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE tells us that less is best - ie apply the KISS principle. This degree of detail being added against the result parameter is contrary to this. The infobox is unsuited for this degree of detail. It is best left to prose in the lead. The parameter is also for the immediate outcome, not what might have eventually happened. Some of the detail added is outside the immediate outcome. Deaths, though not by name are captured elsewhere in the infobox. The names are detail. The arrest of the two men is the result. This is the immediate outcome simply summarised in a way consistent with the guidance at MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with going back to your version if anyone else agrees with you on what the result parameter should contain. But I don't think that the only "result" was the arrests. The other results that were in there were surely as noteworthy as (if not more than!) the arrests. Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]